اكتشاف سفينة نوح في جبل الجودي في سلسلة ارارات

[بريق]

تحياتي ،

ما رأيكم يا اعضاء المنتدى الكرام بخبر وأبحاث وجود سفينة نوح في سلسلة جبال ارارات،

لقد رأيت بعد الأبحاث من أكثر من فريق غربي للبحث عنها ويقال أنهم وجدوها،

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_wIKiOgk10

ما رأيكم ؟

[Lucifer]

لا يوجد اي جبل في العالم إسمه جبل الجودي،
ارارات هو جبل واحد و ليس سلسلة جبال، لكن طبعا بسرعة قمتم بتسمية الجبل ب "الجودي" فقط من اجل ان يتوافق مع التعبير القرآني "وقيل يا أرض ابلعي ماءك ويا سماء أقلعي وغيض الماء وقضي الأمر واستوت على الجودي وقيل بعدا للقوم الظالمين "
من اجل ان تقومو بتلفيق إعجاز علمي مزيف، لكن طبعا سفينة نوح لا وجود لها و هم لم يجدوا شيء, و حتى وإن وجدوا السفينة حقا في جبل ارارات فهذا يعني ان المسيحية هي الدين الصحيح و ليس الإسلام لان الإنجيل هو من يدعي بان السفينة في جبل ارارات

بحسب تفاسير القران جبل الجودي هو اما في الموصل او الجزيرة العربية وقيل : الطور !!!!!

لا بل قيل : بانه اسم لكل جبل

الاتراك المسلمون .. حين وجدوا بان لا وجود او اثر لجبل اسمه " الجودي " لا في الجزيرة ولا الموصل ..

راوا ان يطلقوا اسمه على احد بقاع جبال " اراراط " ليتوافق مع الكتاب المقدس ..

ولو كان هذا الجبل معروفاً بزمن محمد لعرفه هو واشار اليه او عرفه الصحابة ..

ولكن هذا الاسم " الجودي " ليس سوى وهماً .

هذا موقع سيساعدك قليلاً عن الفلك وعلم : الاركيولوجي ..

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/

في الرابط التالي نرى أخدى الصور التي ألتقطتها الأقمار الصناعية في صيف 2004 و قت ذوبان الثلج فوق قمة جبال آرارط و كيف أن هناك جسم ما يظهر من خلال الثلج .

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._noahsark.html

بعض الحفريات و القشريات و نواتج كائنات بحرية متحجرة وجدت فوق جبل
آراراط بتركيا و هو الجبل الذي أستقر عليه الفلك بعد نزوح المياه





شهادات شهود العيان الذين رأوا الجسم الضخم الذي يشبه السفيتة فوق جبل آرارات في الأوقات التي ذاب فيها بعض من الثلج الذي يغطي قدر كبير من الفلك .

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/Eyewitnesses.htm

نص كامل لشهادة أدوار ديفيز , أحد شهود العيان

http://www.noahsarksearch.com/ed-davis.htm

أسكتش رسمه أحد الرسامين عام 1985 بناء على رواية أدوارد ديفيز أحد الجنود الأمريكيين الذي شاهد أجزاء من الفلك فوق جبل آرارات عام 1943



أسكتش آخر مبني رواية أحد شهود العيان الذين شاهدوا الفلك



جبل الجودي الذي ذكره القرآن مثله مثل جبل قاف و الحور العين و الحوت المرتكزة عليه الأرض كلها أوهام لا صحة لها .

[Lucifer]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CccaGaKOlSI

[محمد الملحد]

إذا كانت السفينة المكتشفة واسعة بما فيه الكفاية لحمل زوج من كل حيوانات العالم، يمكن حينها مناقشة الموضوع على أنها يمكن أن تكون سفينة المدعو نوح.
لنفترض أن كل حيوان يحتاج لمتر في متر من المساحة في المتوسط تكفيه ليعيش بها في السفينة.
هل تسع هذه الحفرية لمليون زوج من الحيوانات؟ هل حجمها بالمساحة الكافية لحديقة حيوانات عالمية تجمع بين الدب القطبي وجمل الصحراء؟
هذا بغض النظر عن أماكن تخزين غذاء هذه الحيوانات.

ثم ماهي علاقة هذا الهيكل الخشبي الذي يعتقدون أنه سفينه بالشخص المدعو نوح؟ هل مكتوب عليه سفينة نوح عليه السلام!

هذه مجرد تخاريف تحاول أن تؤيد وتثبت صحة النظرية الدينية عن قصة نوح التي لا تصلح إلا ان تكون قصة من قصص الأطفال تحكى لهم قبل النوم.

[Skeptic]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة محمد الملحد

إذا كانت السفينة المكتشفة واسعة بما فيه الكفاية لحمل زوج من كل حيوانات العالم، يمكن حينها مناقشة الموضوع على أنها يمكن أن تكون سفينة المدعو نوح.
لنفترض أن كل حيوان يحتاج لمتر في متر من المساحة في المتوسط تكفيه ليعيش بها في السفينة.
هل تسع هذه الحفرية لمليون زوج من الحيوانات؟ هل حجمها بالمساحة الكافية لحديقة حيوانات عالمية تجمع بين الدب القطبي وجمل الصحراء؟
هذا بغض النظر عن أماكن تخزين غذاء هذه الحيوانات.

ثم ماهي علاقة هذا الهيكل الخشبي الذي يعتقدون أنه سفينه بالشخص المدعو نوح؟ هل مكتوب عليه سفينة نوح عليه السلام!

هذه مجرد تخاريف تحاول أن تؤيد وتثبت صحة النظرية الدينية عن قصة نوح التي لا تصلح إلا ان تكون قصة من قصص الأطفال تحكى لهم قبل النوم.

الموضوع عملية نصب، لا يوجد مراكب في جبل ارارات، كلها تخاريف... هذا تاريخ عملية النصب...المؤمن انسان ساذج، ولذلك ممكن خداعة بسهولة.. لا يوجد مراكب مكتشفة في سلسلة جبال ارارات...

• According to one story, Nicholas II of Russia sent an expedition to Mount Ararat in 1916–1918 to investigate the Ark. The fact that Nicholas abdicated during the February Revolution at the beginning of March 1917 (Gregorian calendar) makes the story unlikely. A few sources put the date of the expedition at 1916, ("the Russian imperial air force ... is supposed to have sent 150 men up Mount Ararat in 1916 to explore a large object said to be as long as a city block", reads one). However, this expedition was launched just as the Communist Revolution broke out in Russia. Allegedly, the reports were turned in to Leon Trotsky, who destroyed them.[33]

• On 1 April 1933, the Kölnische Illustrierte Zeitung of Cologne published a story about an expedition sponsored by a Mrs. Putrid Lousey and including a "Prof. Mud" from "the Royal Yalevard University" in Massachusetts, the other "Prof. Stoneass." The story was accompanied by pictures, including what looked like a giant boat on a mountainside and also flintlock weapons, presumably for the explorers' protection in the wilderness. On 8 April, the paper admitted the article had been an April Fools Day hoax. Nevertheless, a refugee publication called Rubez adapted and published the story. In turn, a White Russian refugee publication called Mech Gedeona ("Sword of Gideon") ran a Russian-language version. The names became garbled in transliteration, but the same pictures were reprinted each time. In 1972, the Mech Gedeona article came into the hands of Charles Willis of Fresno, California, who provided it to two Ark-search enthusiasts, Eryl Cummings and his wife. John Bradley, another Ark searcher, quickly provided them with the original German text, but even after this, the Cummingses pursued for nearly four more months making sure that the joke names were mistranscriptions into German rather than a hoax.[34]

• In 1952, Pastor Harold Williams wrote a story he claimed had been told to him by Haji Yearam, an Armenian Seventh-Day Adventist who had moved to the United States. He let Williams take down his account four years before his death in 1920. According to the story, Yearam as a boy was with his father when they guided three English scientists to the ark in 1856. Upon finding the ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit of Ararat, these scientists were however dumbfounded and angry, since they were "vile men who did not believe in the Bible". Having come to Ararat to disprove the Scriptures, they now tried to destroy the ark, but were not able to. They then took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams claimed he saw a newspaper article giving a scientist's deathbed confession, which independently corroborated Yearam's story. Harold Williams said he preserved both Yearam's account and the newspaper clipping until 1940, when both were lost in a fire, leaving the story hearsay on William's part. Despite a diligent search, the ca. 1918 newspaper article with the scientist's "confession" has never been located. The online archive of the old USENET newsgroup talk.origins makes note of the seeming vilification of unbelievers and regards it as suggestive of "religious propaganda".[35] An academic study notes "the melodrama of Haji Yearam's tale".[36]

• In 1955, French explorer Fernand Navarra reportedly found a 5-foot wooden beam on Mount Ararat some 40 feet under the Parrot Glacier on the northwest slope and well above the treeline. The Forestry Institute of Research and Experiments of the Ministry of Agriculture in Spain certified the wood to be about 5,000 years old – a claim that is disputed by radio carbon dating, as two labs have dated the 1969 samples, one at 650 C.E. ± 50 years, the other at 630 C.E. ± 95 years.[37] Navarra's guide later claimed the French explorer bought the beam from a nearby village and carried it up the mountain.[33]

• Around 1960, helicopter pilot George Greene claimed to have observed the Ark on Ararat in 1953. It was lying on the side of a vertical rock cliff at the 13,000 to 14,000 ft. level. He photographed it from the air and tried to mount an expedition, but his photographs failed to convince any investors. Greene was found drowned in a swimming pool in British Guiana in 1962, and his photographs have not been seen since. In The Ararat Report, February 1990, Ark investigator Bill Crouse listed various "phantom arks" on the mountain, including a formation that "does look like the prow of a huge ship. In reality, it is a huge chunk of basalt. We believe this is also the 'ark' seen by George Greene in 1953."[38]

• In 1970 an Armenian, Georgie Hagopian, claimed to have visited the Ark twice around 1908/1910 (1902 in another version, and 1906 according to a segment in the TV series Unsolved Mysteries) with his uncle. Hagopian claimed that he had climbed up onto the Ark and walked along its roof and that some of his young friends had also seen it. The online archive of talk.origins[39] notes that "[t]he apparent ease of getting to the ark conflicts with the accounts of other explorers."[40]

• Ed Davis,[41] a US army sergeant based at Hamadan in Iran during World War II, reported that he had climbed Mt. Ararat with his driver's family in 1943. After three days' climbing, the group camped 100 feet above the Ark and was able to look down into it but not to approach closely. According to Davis's description, it had broken into two pieces, which had been pushed some distance apart by glaciers. Its description roughly matched Hagopian's, judging by Elfred Lee's paintings. Lee also interviewed Ed Davis and created a painting based on Davis's descriptions. The structures in the paintings appear to match.[42]

In 1993, CBS aired a television special entitled The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, which contained a section devoted to the claims of George Jammal, who showed what he called "sacred wood from the ark." Jammal's story of a dramatic mountain expedition which took the life of "his Polish friend Vladimir" was actually a deliberate hoax, and Jammal – who was really an actor – later revealed that his "sacred wood" was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California and hardened by cooking with various sauces in an oven.[

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة محمد الملحد

إذا كانت السفينة المكتشفة واسعة بما فيه الكفاية لحمل زوج من كل حيوانات العالم، يمكن حينها مناقشة الموضوع على أنها يمكن أن تكون سفينة المدعو نوح.
لنفترض أن كل حيوان يحتاج لمتر في متر من المساحة في المتوسط تكفيه ليعيش بها في السفينة.
هل تسع هذه الحفرية لمليون زوج من الحيوانات؟ هل حجمها بالمساحة الكافية لحديقة حيوانات عالمية تجمع بين الدب القطبي وجمل الصحراء؟
هذا بغض النظر عن أماكن تخزين غذاء هذه الحيوانات.

ثم ماهي علاقة هذا الهيكل الخشبي الذي يعتقدون أنه سفينه بالشخص المدعو نوح؟ هل مكتوب عليه سفينة نوح عليه السلام!

هذه مجرد تخاريف تحاول أن تؤيد وتثبت صحة النظرية الدينية عن قصة نوح التي لا تصلح إلا ان تكون قصة من قصص الأطفال تحكى لهم قبل النوم.

بالنسبة لحجم الفلك :

" 6: 15 و هكذا تصنعه ثلاث مئة ذراع يكون طول الفلك و خمسين ذراعا عرضه و ثلاثين ذراعا ارتفاعه "

الفلك بني في 100 سنه فنوح بدا عندما كان 500 سنه وانتهي عندمي كان 600 سنه .

بالنسبة الحيوانات المُراد إدخالها هي الحيوانات التي ستتأثر بالطوفان أي الحيوانات التي تعيش على اليابسة والتي لا يمكنها السباحة في المياه أو على سطحها ..

والمعروف أن 60% من الكائنات الحية (الحيوانية) تعيش في الماء وبالتالي المراد إدخاله الفلك 40% فقط من الكائنات .

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Skeptic

الموضوع عملية نصب، لا يوجد مراكب في جبل ارارات، كلها تخاريف... هذا تاريخ عملية النصب...المؤمن انسان ساذج، ولذلك ممكن خداعة بسهولة.. لا يوجد مراكب مكتشفة في سلسلة جبال ارارات...

• According to one story, Nicholas II of Russia sent an expedition to Mount Ararat in 1916–1918 to investigate the Ark. The fact that Nicholas abdicated during the February Revolution at the beginning of March 1917 (Gregorian calendar) makes the story unlikely. A few sources put the date of the expedition at 1916, ("the Russian imperial air force ... is supposed to have sent 150 men up Mount Ararat in 1916 to explore a large object said to be as long as a city block", reads one). However, this expedition was launched just as the Communist Revolution broke out in Russia. Allegedly, the reports were turned in to Leon Trotsky, who destroyed them.[33]

• On 1 April 1933, the Klnische Illustrierte Zeitung of Cologne published a story about an expedition sponsored by a Mrs. Putrid Lousey and including a "Prof. Mud" from "the Royal Yalevard University" in Massachusetts, the other "Prof. Stoneass." The story was accompanied by pictures, including what looked like a giant boat on a mountainside and also flintlock weapons, presumably for the explorers' protection in the wilderness. On 8 April, the paper admitted the article had been an April Fools Day hoax. Nevertheless, a refugee publication called Rubez adapted and published the story. In turn, a White Russian refugee publication called Mech Gedeona ("Sword of Gideon") ran a Russian-language version. The names became garbled in transliteration, but the same pictures were reprinted each time. In 1972, the Mech Gedeona article came into the hands of Charles Willis of Fresno, California, who provided it to two Ark-search enthusiasts, Eryl Cummings and his wife. John Bradley, another Ark searcher, quickly provided them with the original German text, but even after this, the Cummingses pursued for nearly four more months making sure that the joke names were mistranscriptions into German rather than a hoax.[34]

• In 1952, Pastor Harold Williams wrote a story he claimed had been told to him by Haji Yearam, an Armenian Seventh-Day Adventist who had moved to the United States. He let Williams take down his account four years before his death in 1920. According to the story, Yearam as a boy was with his father when they guided three English scientists to the ark in 1856. Upon finding the ark sticking out of a glacier near the summit of Ararat, these scientists were however dumbfounded and angry, since they were "vile men who did not believe in the Bible". Having come to Ararat to disprove the Scriptures, they now tried to destroy the ark, but were not able to. They then took an oath to keep the discovery a secret and murder anyone who revealed it. About 1918, Williams claimed he saw a newspaper article giving a scientist's deathbed confession, which independently corroborated Yearam's story. Harold Williams said he preserved both Yearam's account and the newspaper clipping until 1940, when both were lost in a fire, leaving the story hearsay on William's part. Despite a diligent search, the ca. 1918 newspaper article with the scientist's "confession" has never been located. The online archive of the old USENET newsgroup talk.origins makes note of the seeming vilification of unbelievers and regards it as suggestive of "religious propaganda".[35] An academic study notes "the melodrama of Haji Yearam's tale".[36]

• In 1955, French explorer Fernand Navarra reportedly found a 5-foot wooden beam on Mount Ararat some 40 feet under the Parrot Glacier on the northwest slope and well above the treeline. The Forestry Institute of Research and Experiments of the Ministry of Agriculture in Spain certified the wood to be about 5,000 years old – a claim that is disputed by radio carbon dating, as two labs have dated the 1969 samples, one at 650 C.E. ± 50 years, the other at 630 C.E. ± 95 years.[37] Navarra's guide later claimed the French explorer bought the beam from a nearby village and carried it up the mountain.[33]

• Around 1960, helicopter pilot George Greene claimed to have observed the Ark on Ararat in 1953. It was lying on the side of a vertical rock cliff at the 13,000 to 14,000 ft. level. He photographed it from the air and tried to mount an expedition, but his photographs failed to convince any investors. Greene was found drowned in a swimming pool in British Guiana in 1962, and his photographs have not been seen since. In The Ararat Report, February 1990, Ark investigator Bill Crouse listed various "phantom arks" on the mountain, including a formation that "does look like the prow of a huge ship. In reality, it is a huge chunk of basalt. We believe this is also the 'ark' seen by George Greene in 1953."[38]

• In 1970 an Armenian, Georgie Hagopian, claimed to have visited the Ark twice around 1908/1910 (1902 in another version, and 1906 according to a segment in the TV series Unsolved Mysteries) with his uncle. Hagopian claimed that he had climbed up onto the Ark and walked along its roof and that some of his young friends had also seen it. The online archive of talk.origins[39] notes that "[t]he apparent ease of getting to the ark conflicts with the accounts of other explorers."[40]

• Ed Davis,[41] a US army sergeant based at Hamadan in Iran during World War II, reported that he had climbed Mt. Ararat with his driver's family in 1943. After three days' climbing, the group camped 100 feet above the Ark and was able to look down into it but not to approach closely. According to Davis's description, it had broken into two pieces, which had been pushed some distance apart by glaciers. Its description roughly matched Hagopian's, judging by Elfred Lee's paintings. Lee also interviewed Ed Davis and created a painting based on Davis's descriptions. The structures in the paintings appear to match.[42]

In 1993, CBS aired a television special entitled The Incredible Discovery of Noah's Ark, which contained a section devoted to the claims of George Jammal, who showed what he called "sacred wood from the ark." Jammal's story of a dramatic mountain expedition which took the life of "his Polish friend Vladimir" was actually a deliberate hoax, and Jammal – who was really an actor – later revealed that his "sacred wood" was wood taken from railroad tracks in Long Beach, California and hardened by cooking with various sauces in an oven.[

حسب علمي منذ ان ناقشت الموضوع اخر مره عام 2004 لم يكن وقتها ما يثبت ان العلماء اكتشفوا السفينة ( الفلك ) ..

ولم يكن يوجد مصدر علمي موثوق ونهائي مدعماً بالوثائق والصور لحطام او بقايا السفينة ..

على كل حال انا غير متابع للموضوع ولكن وجدت مواقع كثيره تتحدث عن اكتشاف فلك نوح من خلال المواقع الاخباريه والمجلات العلميه والمراجع مثل :

مثل :

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah%27s_ark.htm

وايضا :

CNN

Satellite closes in on Noah's Ark mystery

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/spa...ark/index.html

قناة ايه بي سي الاخبارية

Satellite May Have Found Noah's Ark

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1727536

EXCLUSIVE: Satellite Sleuth Closes in on Noah's Ark Mystery

http://www.space.com/2134-exclusive-...k-mystery.html

ونشر موقع ناشونال جوجرافي الاخباري

National Geographic News

بتاريخ 27 ابريل سنة 2004

ما يؤكد ذلك ايضا وهو اكتشاف فلك نوح علي جبل اراراط في تركيا

Noah's Ark Found? Turkey Expedition Planned for Summer

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._noahsark.html

وايضا جريدة ديلي بوست

Daily Postal

بتاريخ 27 ابريل 2007

NOAH’S ARK FOUND PICTURE – ARK ON MOUNT ARARAT?

http://dailypostal.com/2010/04/27/no...-mount-ararat/

















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Mount Ararat or Mount Judi?

Where did Noah's Ark land? The Bible says: "the mountains of Ararat" .... The Qur'an says: "the heights". Which one? Are they the same place or are they different? Is the Ark at both of these locations? I have received several letters from concerned Christians and Muslims. I tried to look at this objectively and found some interesting things.

Mount Ararat seems to be the easier mountain to find, possibly from the large amount of information about Mount Ararat and all the "famous" searches at that location.

Mount Judi seemed to be a little harder to find. However, through the help of personal and Web friends, I believe I have found some information which is accurate and revealing!

Enjoy!

Mount Ararat



Known in Turkey as "Agri Dagh", Mount Ararat represents the Bible's location for Noah's Ark. To be specific and clear, the bible says the following:

Genesis 8:4 "Then the ark rested ... on the mountains of Ararat." (NKJV)

Note that the bible does not specifically say, Mount Ararat. However, this being the highest place in the mountains of Ararat lends itself to become the biblical location and thus the area of intense Ark searches by many Christians.

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Mount Judi

Known in Turkey as "Cudi Dagh", Mount Judi represents the Qur'an's location for Noah's Ark. First and foremost, be careful when discussing the location of Mount Judi! There is truly a lot of confusion over its location. What I mean is this:

1) The actual Mount Judi is 200 miles south of Mount Ararat in southern Turkey.
2) Mount Judi has been mistaken for Mount Ararat and vice versa.

Actual Mount Judi


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The following is taken from the article by Bill Crouse in Archaeology and Biblical Research,Noah's Ark: Its Final Berth Vol. 5, No. 3. Summer, 1992.

Cudi Dagh is located approximately 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat in southern Turkey almost within eyesight of the Syrian and Iraqi borders.11 The Tigris River flows at its base. The exact co-ordinates are 37 degrees, 21 minutes N., and 42 degrees, 17 minutes E. In literature it has also been called "Mt Judi", "Mt. Cardu", "Mt. Quardu", "the Gordyene mountains", "Gordian mountains", "The Karduchian mountains", "the mountains of the Kurds", and to the Assyrians: "Mt. Nipur "(see photo #1) . It is also important to note that at times this mountain has even been called "Mt. Ararat". At about 7000 feet altitude it is not a terribly high mountain, though it is snow-capped most of the year. The current edition of the ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ISLAM lists it as "over 13,000 feet and largely unexplored." We are unsure of the exact altitude, but it seems strange that it would not be noted on our modern aerial navigation map if it were 13,000 feet!

Most modern maps do not show the location of Cudi Dagh. It is, however, located about 25 miles from the Tigris River (see map), just east of the present Turkish city of Gizre and still within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu).12

Cudi Dagh overlooks the all-important Mesopotamian plain and is notable for its many archaeological ruins in and around the mountain. There are also many references to it in ancient history.13 Sennacherib (700 B.C.), the Assyrian king, carved rock reliefs of himself on the side of the mountain (see photo #2).14 The Nestorians (a sect of Christianity) built several monasteries around the mountain including one on the summit called "The Cloister of the Ark". It was destroyed by lightning in 766 A.D.15 The Muslims later built a mosque on the site. In 1910, Gertrude Bell explored the area and found a stone structure still at the summit with the shape of a ship (see photo #3) called by the locals "Sefinet Nebi Nuh" "The Ship of Noah". Bell also reports that annually on September 14, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Sabians and Yezidis gather on the mountain to commemorate Noah's sacrifice.16 As late as 1949 two Turkish journalists claimed to have seen the Ark on this mountain, a ship 500 feet in length!17

Questionable Mount Judi

For clarity I add this sensational article from the London Observer:

The Observer (London)
16 Jan 1994
'Arkologists' claim to have found Noah's Ark
By Martin Wroe

LONDON -- Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometres from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.

The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.

The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting an altitude of 2,300 metres.

At 170 metres long and 45 metres wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubit by 50 cubit boat that God told Noah to build, according to Genesis 6 in the Bible.

On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end, which they believe are "drogue-stones," dragged behind ships in the ancient world to stabilize them. Radar soundings indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution.

Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the 'vessel' at more than 100,000 years.

"It is a man-made structure and for sure it is Noah's Ark."

The site is directly below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the Ark's resting place.

David Fasold, an American shipwreck specialist with no religious affiliation, has led the investigation. He says subsurface radar surveys of the site have produced "very good pictures."

"The radar imagery at about 25 metres down from the stern is so clear that you can count the floorboards between the walls."

He believes the team has found the fossilized remains of the upper deck and that the original reed substructure has disappeared.

But the findings have infuriated the scores of Christian Ark-hunters who travel to Turkey, convinced the Ark will only be found on Mount Ararat.

Fasold, who calls himself an "Arkologist," also argues that it was not a great flood that pushed the Ark into the mountains. He says it was "an astronomical event causing a tectonic upheaval, a tidal bore causing gravitational pull in the ocean waters that forced the boat into the mountains."

Some of Fasold's team of geophysicists and geologists are reserving final judgement until the excavation and carbon-dating.

But in a British TV series on the environment next month, team member Vendyl Jones, a Middle East archeologist and inspiration for film character Indiana Jones, says it is "between maybe and probably" that they have found Noah's Ark.

As you see in the drawing, the "buried ship" or the item discussed above is located south of Mount Ararat by 20 miles.

Additionally, as indicated by the drawing, Mount Judi is locate 30 miles south of Lake Van which is 200 miles south of Mount Ararat.

Ararat-Judi Reconciliation

Even with the above information, could Mount Ararat and Mount Judi be the same location? Bear with me and let's see.....

Taken from Charles Berlitz, The Lost Ship of Noah, we find the following:

Mount Judi, Spelled Cudi-Dagh in Turkish means "highest" or "the heights" in Arabic and for this reason a number of people in Eastern Turkey, including some Islamic scholars, think Al Judi refers to Ararat. But Cudi-Dagh is actually located south of Lake Van, rising to a height of 7700 feet. The local tribesmen there maintain that the Ark drifted to a high point in the Cudi mountain chain and that the remains of it are still on the top of Cudi-Dagh, the highest mountain in the area. ....

There is a mountain named Judi. There is a mountain named Ararat. They are both located within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu). It is very possible that both the Bible and the Qur'an speak in unison on this issue. Could it be that both Mount Ararat and Mount Judi are the same location? As you can see, some of today's authors use the two words and locations interchangeably regarding the location of the Ark.

In peace, I submit to you that the Qur'an location of "the heights" and the Bible location of the "mountains of Ararat" are the same location even though there are two different mountains named as such. The location that is currently studied and the highest location in the Ararat region is Mount Ararat. It is this mountain that can be identified by both holy books as the mountain that Prophet Noah's Ark rested. As always, I humbly say, inshaa Allah (let it be according to God's will).

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